User talk:Azorrez

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Apology
Azorrez, I'd like to apologize for all the offensive and hurtful comments I made to you in our previous conversations. I was wrong to call you a loser. Do you have an email that we may discuss things? 02:48, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh sorry, forgot about this message. Anyway, the thing I need to ask you is a more private matter that can't be on a public site. Can you reopen the email? 00:53, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

No sorry. I'll send you it tomorrow. 03:33, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Are you trying to test MY patience? I sent you the message like a few days ago. 22:19, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Jobs Continued
Next time please don't archive on going talking, looks like a sign that your done.

Actually it wasn't, I don't like recruiting cause of all the questions I have to repeatedly answer, hence why I don't care if I end up paying for the Department of Recruiting, and the large structure was created for the event that there's a large number of members. Already the Ministry of Industry has been fully structured by the new minister, it maybe overkill for a clan of The Empire's size, but I'm looking at the long term.

Also your registered on the clan's forums, did you intend to do something there? Also which clan do you hail from so I can add it to the profile field.

EmperorHester 14:18, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

_______ EmperorHester 02:53, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Well it's like I stated "looks like a sign that your done." from a certain point of view. I look at almost all foreign (None Empire members) as a diplomatic talk.
 * 2) What I'm asking is if you'd be interested in doing a part-time job in recruiting, Clan:The Empire/Central Government? Pays good if you recruit people into The Empire.
 * 3) Special Clan Forums? you mean http://w11.zetaboards.com/Runescape_The_Empire/index/ ? I wouldn't really call it that but yeah I mean those forums.
 * 4) If your a diplomat does that mean your looking for an alliance with The Empire?
 * 5) Well past experience has shown that if you take a large number of people and then overhaul into a new structure for the people it's even more confusing as everyone's lost, with it done now people can get a better sense cause they aren't used to the old system in which they were already used too.
 * 6) The clan constitution is under review at the moment, and all constitutions are confusing they're writen to have different interpretations, just look at the United States' Constitution and how it's written, prime example.
 * 7) And thanks, I prefer a monarchy style so long as its a fair person sitting on the throne, even in real life it would be more practicle, however most cases have shown that people abuse their power.

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 * 1) No... it was a request, note the word "please" if it was a command i wouldn't have used it.
 * 2) For what purpose?
 * Oh, have a link to the Jagex-run clan initiative? There should be a link to it.
 * 1) Alright
 * 2) I could but I'm looking for effieciency and doing it now rather then later looks better.
 * 3) Then how is The Empire's confusing?
 * 4) Well there in lies the hidden power of the Constitution, public opinion, if I did something like edit the constitution to allow me to force you to pay me all your gold coins people would just leave the clan.
 * 5) Could you point out an example of " the monarch still has control in the places where the constitution says it doesn't  ." ?
 * 6)  By the constituion the Heir would go to the next highest ranking official should i step down, at this moment, I know I still have yet to select a heir. 
 * 7)  What does it matter? And I do, the Grand Vizer, head of the Central Government. Same role as Prime Minister, except with a facier/different name. 

EmperorHester 04:23, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

_________________________________________________  No just a request. 

 For what investigation? 

 Why not? </li>

 It is moulded to what people want, I ask what branch they wish to join, if they say the Ministry of Industry I ask with department they can join any of the ones they like. I'd even accept none and they'd just be a member. Members can also make suggestions if they want, to be honest there are few rules (the current laws of the clan are being reworked as part of my clan wiki update). How are my ideals unique? </li></li></li></li>

Again, working on a clan wiki update, which extends to the constitution since I don't have it in the clan's Archives.</li></li></li></li>

I don't have unlimited power, the only time i have unlimited power is when it's granted to me by a vote to suspend the constitution, not to mention the amendments, which I'm adding more.</li></li></li></li>

It does http://runescapeclans.wikia.com/wiki/Clan:The_Empire/Constitution#Article_VIII-_Succession_of_the_Throne it goes from the highest senior rank down, so if i stepped down or was impeached it would fall to my Minister of Industry gman050. And it only applies to those ranks present, since there's no Grand Vizer, it would fall to the Grand Moff in the World Government, no Grand Moff then Minister of Industry and so on. </li></li></li></li>

And no, the next highest official would be the Executor, or the heir apparent (once the position is filled). Then after that would be Viceroy, THEN Grand Vizer.</li></li></li></li>

Again, clan wiki update which includes the constitution it falls under the Grand Vizer.</li><p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: normal;">EmperorHester 05:13, December 26, 2011 (UTC) </li> <p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: normal;">_______________________________________ </li> </li>

Sounds about right for diplomats.</li></li></li>

Then why bring it up if it's Jadex invite only and your not Jadex?</li></li></li>

Believe it or not, there was a point in time in the first few months in which that happend, over the months following it began turning into the system you see today and if you've seen the Ministry of Industry's page in the wiki, you'll see that my current minister liked it. Those kind of people maybe hard to come by, but they are out there. And there are ways for members to amend the clan constitution, I'll listen to what ever the members will suggest if I agree I'll give up that power to them or grant them that right, if I don't I'll explain if they truely believe in what they're proposing they have to follow the steps under Article XI section 2. And I'm not quick to put things down.</li></li></li>

No... the Amendments I can't touch so anyone can say what they want, believe what they want and so on from the First ammendment alone. And I can't just punish someone however I want, all members must have a trial with a jury as for Amendments 3,4,5. I do have limits.</li></li></li>

Why are you so pursistant with the Head of State?! And the heir?</li></li></li>

With runescape you can't have a baby to be the heir, so one has to be selected!</li><p style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: normal;">EmperorHester 15:57, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

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1.) And all your saying is that i'm a dictator because I don't have a head of state like a true Monarchy?

2.) Yet time and time again people sign it and agree with it, and more and more I give up power -.-

3.) Yet in Runescape I can't have an heir born to the throne! Hence why they're selected.

4.) They're selected based on their actions, if someone is a tyrant they're not on my list to be selected to be the heir apparent, yes people can pretend to be something they're not but they can't do it forever.

EmperorHester 01:06, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

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 * Azorrez look, the Emperor isn't a dictator at all, he's a leader in his clan. He doesn't run it completely but he does have a lot of power. Just because someone's not an absolute monarch doesn't mean they're a dictator. Both the Empire and the Triumvirate have unique and complex systems of government, it's good to question them but you shouldn't just call us out on it when you don't necessarily understand all of it. If you read our Constitutions and writings of our founders and our laws then maybe it makes more sense. It's hard for both the Emperor and I to explain how everything works in a really detailed way because we're both pretty busy people what with helping run clan/unions. That's my two cents. Arnold Ogamon  <span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-size:75%; font-family:Parchment arial sans-serif; vertical-align:1px;">Talk __<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-size:75%; font-family:Parchment arial sans-serif; vertical-align:1px;">UT  20:14, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Emperor asked if I'd join in. I did try to tell you, you just wouldn't take my advice and read our Constitution. The Constitution explains it better than I ever could. I'm here to just help explain, I'm not trying to bring the Triumvirate up but since the Emperor and I are friends and the Triumvirate is the Empires ally, I wanted to help out in explaining. Arnold Ogamon  <span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-size:75%; font-family:Parchment arial sans-serif; vertical-align:1px;">Talk __<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-size:75%; font-family:Parchment arial sans-serif; vertical-align:1px;">UT  00:47, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * There isn't anything wrong with either of our systems. Our systems work well for us, that's all that matters. We're not pushing them on anyone, we're just using our system and going about our own business. I just said I know not everything is about the Triumvirate, when you keep saying that you make it all about the Triumvirate so please stop. I was talking about the Triumvirate's Constitution mostly, it's hard to understand how another society functions until you know about their government or live and take part in it. That's how things usually go. You learn from experience, not from opinions. Arnold Ogamon  <span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-size:75%; font-family:Parchment arial sans-serif; vertical-align:1px;">Talk __<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-size:75%; font-family:Parchment arial sans-serif; vertical-align:1px;">UT  07:03, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

No, it's The Empire's constitution, it's what defines the government of the clan.

Or is the head of state required before YOU'LL consider it a Monarchy?

Yet gman050 joined, he said he would like to do trading, so I set him up in the Ministry of Industry in the Trading Department, it doesn't need 400 members to start thinking like this.

Cause he's an ally? And as he pointed out that I wouldn't have, our systems work for US, gman050 got it the second he read everything he wanted to know about the Ministry of Industry, he rewrote it with what he had avalible to him and he was rewarded with being the new Minister of Industry. EmperorHester 17:28, December 27, 2011 (UTC)