User talk:Zerouh

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B'Crat
Zerouh, you still reign as the b'crat on this wiki, right? 23:32, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah he does. HE doesn't do any Triumvirate stuff though. Arnold Ogamon  Talk __UT  00:10, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ogamon, shut up. I can read the damn message in bold. I'm trying to see if he's even active. 18:18, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't loose ur temper Red. It's not a good thing to go back to where you were... You've gotten better, so don't screw it up now. 18:28, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am still active on the Wiki, yes. 19:18, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Update
'''Hi, Can I get you to have a look at this page and contribute your ideas to the suggestion made. Thank you,''' 19:33, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Query:Ascalephus
Hi Zerouh, i want to ask you a question which i want to be answered, why is the triumvirate able to be on the featured clan on the main page, if a year HAS NOT passed???? and if the triumvirate is able to be featured then why not other clans?

Ascalephus 10:26, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Darke Physik - "Honest With You"
Dude Zerouh, I was always polite with you, but as of right now I'm going to be totally honest with you. Stop wasting your time. No one gives a damn about your triumvirate and it's a total waste of your time. If you wanna get involved in politics or government trying joining your high school's SGA, because this triumvirate crap is such bull sh*t that, while you think may they do, no one actually gives a crap about and you just look like some total loser flailing around for attention.

Hope you take my advice, because you need it BIG TIME. 23:11, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Calm down. Remember the ban must follow our Policy. 04:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of that. 04:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Why are you upset about pages being marked for a vote? If they were really necessary then they would survive it. 18:13, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it is obviously a targeted deletion against myself. 18:37, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or maybe it's an attempt to rid the wiki of some pages that have no use. I'm going to nominate them again as I think it's legitimate. 19:51, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * This feels pretty familiar......meh too bad there isn't a vote for ban. I am pretty sure I know how that vote will turn out. 18:41, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Help
Zerouh, I've noticed a sudden rise against you recently. Just want you to know that, if you ever require my help, I will be more than happy to assist. I'm technically not in the Triumvirate, so it wouldn't count as you getting involved with the Triumvirate. {C I know that I'm not exactly respected here, but a friend is a friend. And I will see to it that these people don't get rid of you so easily. 23:29, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * And I thank you for that, your help will be appreciated as I must agree. 00:16, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thought you left. Saw whats happening. I'll be defending you and the triumvirate. ZamorakAgent My talk 09:46, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I remain active on the Wiki. I thank you. 05:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
Hello once again.


 * I understand that marking vfd on those articles was wrong on my part but I do think they should be deleted or moved. I may not be totally familiar with the policies of this wiki but those articles do not have relevance to clans. They are your political/social ideas which in no way am I challenging. I believe they would be better placed on a sub-page of your profile page or etc. I am not targeting you only and I am not targeting the Triumvirate. I do not disagree with you or your views in any way. You may not want to move your articles but I think that anyone can make an article of their own ideals and say it belongs on the wiki. I disagree and should be on the respective person's profile or profile sub-pages. I apologize for any inconveniences placed upon you but I stand by my views. Azorrez 07:38, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Greetings Zerouh

☼ Xelyt ☼ 10:04, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I agree they should be moved.

☼ Xelyt ☼ 10:33, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I disagree, the articles are relevant and are endorsed by clans. Though I thank you for your civility on the matter. 22:22, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you can make articles about political views then so should I and anyone else on the wiki, providing they follow the rules. Azorrez 23:30, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * The articles aren't about political views, they are of political theories and systems, both relevant. 23:35, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

User:UniTri Major Executive
Can you explain why this user has sysop rights even after we had that long discussion about this user not needing such rights? 16:03, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Where, might I ask, was this long discussion? 20:14, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing that out, it didn't shop on Special:ListUsers/sysop which is why I assumed it was no longer a sysop enabled account. 21:08, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Government
Zerouh, being the Government prodigy that you are, I was wondering if you could tell me what kind of a government, mine and Agent's clan is.

Basically, Agent and I run it but we have a Council that can somewhat keep us in check. I was thinking a Dual Monarchy, but Agent and I don't have absolute power, so thoughts? 23:25, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I will not be answering any questions relating to my previous positions. My work here is strictly administrative. 16:24, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * All it is, is just a question. Since you continue to make Government related pages, I assumed you were still willing to answer. All I need is just a name. 17:04, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I will do that but I will not be discussing my personal ideals or matters to do with the Triumvirate. If there is a Constitution it would become a constitutional government, perhaps a constitutional monarchy if you are looking at it in simple terms. It also depends on what defines and restricts the monarchs. 17:08, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Zerouh i would like to talk to you.

☼ Xelyt ☼ 15:18, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dead
Zerouh, how do you add the dead template to pages? Like, on the Clan:S.K.U.L.L page. 00:00, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Update
 '''Hi, Can I get you to have a look at this page and contribute your ideas to the suggestion made. Thank you,''' 20:49, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Will you check out this Forum Page for me? The.draziw 16:53, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Redirects
The Questing Clan of Runescape aka "Clan Quest" has been formally recognized in multiple manners as Clan Quest and Quest Clan by Jagex LTD via Facebook, Twitter and on the Main Runescape main page. THe redirect Pages CLan Quest and Quest clan are specific name commonly recognized by the Runescape Clan COmmunity. Using these names as redirects is appropriate uses. Please review the RuneScape Clans Wiki:Assume good faith article regarding deletion of content. Given that the names are specifc to the Clan, The content is not vandlism, and the Redirects are commmonly recognized associative terms for the main article the redirect pages should stand.

I have not recreated the Two redirect Pages QC and CQ which are the initials of The Questing CLan of Runescapes most commonly accepted abreviations. I am not sure why there is a need to delete these, but I am not overly worried about their recreation. 14:09, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * You were clear in your message but not in your logic. Clan Quest and Quest Clan are JAGEX specifications for the Questing CLan of Runescape (Not the clan's specification.  We are a beta Clan, and are sometimes involved in the testing for the updates.).  This is a fansite for a JAGEX game.  Why would the redirect pages, which do not currently have any content, are not used for another article,  and are commonly accepted names for the primary community not be redirected to the main article?  That is contrary to EVERY form of logic other than simply you as the Beurocrat don't want it to be so.  This is against your wiki's policy found here: RuneScape Clans Wiki:All editors are equal.  What ever happened to the RuneScape Clans Wiki:Assume good faith policy?
 * Also, on my Talk page you told me not to edit. Did you seriously just tell an editor not to make edits?  I think I must have misread that. 23:07, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Spammer/Vandal (Need Help)
User:Shanedeathlord12

Player has vandalized and Deleted content on mulitple pages INCLUDING DELETION of My User Page which is expressly forbidden in Wiki Policies. 15:46, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Featured Clan
Greetings once again Zerouh. I am contacting you in regards to the Featured Clan box on the top of Union:Universal Triumvirate and that it says it has been featured for two months. I am well aware that it may have only been featured for about a month but in that it spreads over two months it shows both. Can it only show one month or the other as I beleive it is unfair that it may seem that this union is twice as good as any other featured clan/union. I thank you for your anticipated co-operation in that unio-clan politics will not be involved, 22:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

I've went ahead and done as he's asked. It's not like that time never happened thou. This action didn't harm the Tri because the time still past. This action also prevents all other clans from being "underrated" so to speak. I've givin it June as I do belive it got the entire month of June & not May. 22:52, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have edited it so that it properly explains what is meant. 22:55, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Update
 '''Hi, Can I get you to have a look at this page and contribute your ideas to the suggestion made. Thank you,''' 23:05, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

But they were inactive... 123.2.85.195 22:57, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

My Return
Zerouh, I don't know if you read this on the Triumvirate news page (or if you even read the Triumvirate page at all for that matter), but I have returned to the Triumvirate as an Executive once again. I will tell you that things aren't the same without you and that I am saddened that you aren't there. But that everyone is doing good. I don't know if you even care for the Triumvirate, but I just thought that you should know. Anyway, cheers! 19:59, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Featured Clan
Hi,

Was just wondering if you can give my clan: Famous For Double Natures a chance to be a featured clan because a lot of energy and work has gone into our clan page located here

Anvillll 13:16, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

FAIL!
See this yet Zerouh?

http://runescapeclans.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Zerouhs_Triumvirate#The_Declarations.2C_Deeds.2C_and_Duties_of_the_Triumvirate_Politician.27s_Military_Abolishment_Caucus

You're little "prodigy's" latest move. You were for peace Zerouh, but even you recognized the need for a military. Anyway, I know you won't respond since you're "not involved" anymore, but I just hope that you will make a message in response to convince people otherwise. 19:36, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Who didn't see that coming :P 20:27, October 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Zerouh said that he didn't want us restricted! He would have supported this. He's not even here and he won't respond so it's really not very good looking that you keep talking about your problems with me and the other executives on his public talk page. If you have an issue with what I'm doing talk with me directly, please don't go whining to Zerouh who isn't even here. Arnold Ogamon  Talk __UT  22:41, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Freedom of Speech Ogamon. Freedom of Speech :) And Zerouh wouldn't have supported this as the military doesn't restrict us! 01:05, October 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying you're not allowed to, I'm just saying it's making you look sort of silly. I hate to keep saying this but Zerouh did say we should do this! I quote the time when he directly said exactly this, that we should grow past everything:

"In time, the Triumvirate will have to expand and enlighten itself so that it may strive and breath as it should. The elimination of certain systems may be necessary to do this, the most significant of which, though I am not entirely sure how it should best be accomplished, would most likely be all notions of warfare and perhaps even finances within the Triumvirate. Unless the Triumvirate was to ordain a system of currency unique to itself, finances would absolutely and inevitably be dismissed. Such a system would..." It goes off topic here, he just talks about currency, and then later comes back to: "The method to discard warfare and finance from the Union would most probably begin with the reduction of both departments and the transfer of their responsibilities that would continue to be needed to other government institutions. It is unclear at this point when such an inescapable correction would need to be made but from what I have observed, the structure in place will amend itself."

Don't even argue that this doesn't prove that he would want this. He'd want us to debate and argue and find the best way to do it, but he wouldn't want us to get stupid about it.

Arnold Ogamon Talk __UT  01:37, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

It's Official
Bwak Bawk Bawk Squable... Really? Leave him alone... He doesn't care... Anyways I'm here to officaly announce my retirement of this wiki. I will be editing in emergancy situations only. I just thought I'd put it in writing. Confirming what many people already suspect by my disapearence. I've been caught up in life, college, and MineCraft. I don't have time to contribute here any longer and as such I think it should be noted. I leave with a suggestion. HostJD should be an admin and mini a crat. I'll miss you guys and hope you the best I may be back. But RuneScape is dull now and I have no real interest jagex's sad attempts at combating botting mixed with the pathetic economy in RuneScape has caused me to quit. Not to mention the community going down the crapper. Anyways, best of luck, goodbye :) 04:41, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * My my Excel, it is a shame to see you leaving us. I thank you with all that I can for all of the work you have done here and for the community you have helped preserve. I wish you the best of luck in the future and I do hope all bodes well for you. If you ever need anything in the future, do not hesitate to ask me. 22:18, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

HI
per my posts here:
 * RuneScape Clans Wiki:Requests for adminship/OffsideJimothy
 * RuneScape Clans Wiki:Requests for adminship/Host JD
 * RuneScape Clans Wiki:Requests for adminship/MinigameGod
 * RuneScape Clans Wiki:Requests for adminship/The.draziw

MinigameGod posted on my talk page User talk:The.draziw. I am simply posting here to ensure you have seen it.

15:55, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Need anything else?
Thanks for the Fast response to the RfAs. Do you need anything else from me regarding any of the three RfAs? 23:10, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Community Message
This section in the recent update page needs updated since Excel's Retirement. I can't handle it. :( 23:10, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism
hi zerouh, i don't know if your still here or anything, but if you are can you do me a little favour? on my clans page Clan:Prodigy is being edited by people who do not have an account, and they are editting it in a way that is not right. is there a way that you can make the page not editable by people unless they have an account? this would be very helpful.

thanks.

13:59, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked at this edit shortly after it was made, but figured it was legitimate given the content of the edit. I will review future edits and revert if not minor grammatical fixes, etc.  14:37, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Uhnul
Who was Uhnul? 08:01, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Why all the legalese?
I admit that I don't understand much of the history of clans, but I wonder at the number and complexity of the charters and legal proceedings. Also, I don't see as how any of these can be binding in any real court of law, and yet there are often references to copyrights and various other things. I haven't seen any real citations of any statutes of law however, e.g., "UCC Title 1, sec. 207", for example. Can you explain some of this at all, as it's very confusing to me. Thank you. JAGZIMA 23:20, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey there, can you add the clan "Darken kings" to the clan list? Its abbreviation is "DK", and its size is 325+, requirements [90+ cb OR 70+ def with one of the following>>>80+magic/80+ range with lbs OR 2k+ total skill level], and our subject being "Community, Multi-eventing, Wars, all PvP events, all PvM events, RCW, etc.".

Thanks is advance!

~ Rasenganv8 (One of the Clan Leaders)

RE:
All right, thanks Zerouh.

But could you please respond to Ogamon's question? I know you're not a part of it anymore, but this situation could hurt us greatly. 21:48, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

EMERGENCY!
Zerouh, this is an emergency. I know you read Ehtya's war address, and if you haven't, it doesn't matter. We're in a state of emergency and it more than likely involves you. Please reopen your zerouhkoe@gmail.com email address so that we can discuss this in private and get it done with. I promise, this isn't just some radical attempt to get you to join back. This goes above the Uhnul level emergencies. We need to talk ASAP. I promise after this (which won't even take long) that you can go back to ignoring Triumvirate events. Please Zerouh. 20:40, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if you don't want to talk to us, PLEASE PLEASE check your email, webs account, everything! Two of us are asking you to, we aren't just making something up, there is a big problem! Ehtya, Chief Ambassador of the Universal Triumvirate 03:19, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Uhnul
Even if the username of Uhnul was to be used for disruptive purposes, that technically did not happen as the account was not disruptive. Is the action to block Uhnul advised by any Wiki policy or by your own agenda? 07:49, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * If I may interject, the account Uhnul should not have been blocked, in my opinion. It was agreed upon that the common blocking procedure should follow the guildlines on this page. According to this agreed set of guidelines, a warning should be issued for first time offenders followed by a one-day block if harrasment or punishable behaviour continued and the punishment would escalate from there on until an indefinite block was placed or until the user calms down. The block time of 1 year to begin with was harsh and uneeded.


 * Also, the reason for the block you serviced is because the user had an "innappropriate name," this category only affect users who impersenate wiki staff, or in our case jagex staff, or had racist or defamatory language in their name. The case here was not such, the user only used a name that was previously associated with an issue in Union:Zerouhs Triumvirate. I understand that this can connote the user as a "troll" or someone looking to instigate an argument but I believe that the user should have been given the benefit of the doubt as per RSC:AGF until something were to occur that would prove otherwise. I hope we can agree on this subject. Cheers, 21:12, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * The name was inappropriate - Uhnul was a known hacker. Any attempt to impersonate him is strictly uncalled for. It'd be like someone making an account called "Hiter" or "Zerouh2" or "President Obama", it's clearly for disruptive purposes - not legitimate, and totally unreasonable. I'd like to not have this discussion, because frankly, this is a waste of all of our time. We can agree that "Uhnul" is not a legitimate name. If the user would like to come back as another user with an appropriate name they may do so. All I have done is blocked the inaccurate name so that confusion and disruption would not occur.

My own agenda is a poor argument because, as you may know, I no longer have anything to do with any coalition on this wiki besides its management. I have no role in any association, clan, union, or group here. I openly refuse to communicate in any way with any of those who desire my input on anything related to that.

Thank you and have a good day. 23:31, February 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * If that's the case, then I agree with you but you should remove the "account creation disabled" portion of the block and change the expiry time to indefinite.  00:00, February 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right thank you. I actually had no idea I checked the "account creation disabled" - my apologies. 00:13, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Remove the admin rights immediately
This is not a Triumverate play ground. You are NOT permitted to just willy nilly admin anyone you want. 19:13, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. This is not a Triumvirate play ground, you are correct. I am not affiliated with the Union. I am actually permitted to make a bureaucrat of anyone I want when this wiki has terrible management. This is final. 20:08, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

You have directly violated the EEIE policy, ignored the community, and disgraced this wiki's staff. There will be repercussions. 20:33, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you attempt to revert my edits, or the edits of another bureaucrat, there will indeed be repercussions. Do not try to go around me again. You will face your problems with me directly. 20:37, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

You have obviously forgotten everything about this wiki, and its policies RuneScape_Clans_Wiki:All_editors_are_equal. 20:40, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not asserting anything making anyone unequal. I have allowed a new bureaucrat here. That is all I have done. You're welcome to disagree with my decision, but NOT welcome to go out of your way to stop it. 20:41, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Zerouh, you are a disgrace, and if you have any issues with me "going around you" you have obviously done something wrong. 20:42, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I take very serious issues with it. You will speak to me directly about your issues with me and my leadership so that we can talk over why I make the decisions I do. To go out of your way to deliberately stop my actions and completely undo them before hearing me out is something I will not stand for, and it is completely against the policies of this wiki. 20:43, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

You put an ameture whom has virtually no edits on this wiki, and has shown no community interaction at all. Not to metion how would you know if there is a problem, you haven't been here for months. 20:44, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Universal Triumvirate is not an amateur, it has been with this wiki for years, and has been far more active than even I have been. Take up your issues with them, not with me. 20:45, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * There should not be a them especially for a B'Crat. Do you know how insecure account sharing is? 20:51, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

You are not a leader here. For the 3rd time RuneScape_Clans_Wiki:All_editors_are_equal. 20:46, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Your disregard for this wiki astrounds me. I assure you this will be brought to the attention of Minigame, and others whom I still do have contact with. 20:47, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * You are completely right. I am not the leader. Neither are you. Considering no one has done anything about cleaning up this wiki and actually fixing the longstanding problems for months now, I appointed a better manager for it: The Department of State. If you want to support vandalism, keep the wiki run down, or devote your entire life to cleaning it up, have a ball. As I don't want that to happen, they are knowledgeable about this wiki, have wiki experience, and they have a vested interest in fixing this wiki, I'm allowing it. If you disagree, I'm sorry. Consider this a favor though, I'm giving you a much needed extra hand here. 20:52, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Everyone cool it, this is a very simple thing happening here, and you're all allowing it to get out of hand. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 20:54, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

This should have been done in compeletely different ways. You do not need administrator privalleges to clean up the wiki. This has been shown various times by others, and this account has shown no such interest, and has done no such action. To name someone "Absolute Authority" in the CSS file is also incredibly disrepsectful, and disgraceful to anyone, and everyone who has put any effort into this wiki. Your actions are voulgar. 20:55, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Absolute Authority" is a central account distinction, not to be taken as the "dictator" or anything like that. You severely misjudge. Don't call my actions vulgar again. You do need administrator privileges to combat vandalism, which is at stake here. Now pick yourself up, be reasonable and work with the Department of State; or don't and make a fuss. 20:59, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

That is not how that CSS file is layed out. It's layed out to show users rights, not to clarify any kind of shared account. I did not misjudge, this is voulgar. Also do tell me how Draz, and Offside combated vandalism for months then (they didn't have admin powers). 21:01, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

-Sorry, forgot to introduce myself (I'm with the Department of State) Nathan Maine, Major Executive.
 * They have no power to ban or block. Well I'm changing the CSS file a smidge, to better clarify management here. Every time you call me vulgar, you use credibility. The Department of State is in the best interest of the wiki, forgive them for trying to take some initiative and fixing the disgusting situation here. Work with them or against them. Your choice. But one of those choices will have terrible consequences.   21:05, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * The account couldn't block vandalizers though. The CSS file needs to be changed to have it make more sense. 21:07, September 12, 2013 (UTC)