User talk:Triumvirate Department of State/Archive 1

Um how bout no. 19:07, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Violations & I'm Still Here
This wiki is not a Triumvirate play ground, and it's policies do not over rule this wikia's policies. Management is still here, and awake. I demand this account be revoked of all of it's admin privillages on the grounds that there was not a community conensus, and this action has been done with complete disregard to the wikia community.

''Wikis are not based on any form of hierarchy. Administrators and bureaucrats are trusted members of the wiki community who are recognized for reliable edits and fairness in dealing with discussions or arguments. This does not give them authority over other players in overruling decisions; all major decisions of this kind must be made by the community, and not by an individual. Editors should also not claim "(Admin name here) said that we shouldn't do this, so we shouldn't" if there isn't already a clear rule or policy on this. Don't actively ignore it either, though; discuss it. Discussion is a major part of wikis. ''

No one and I mean no one is allowed to make a policy change on this scale over night without even attempting to reach out to any admins, or any other part of the community. This account has done nothing for this wiki, and has no right to have these powers under any regard. 19:36, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is the Universal Triumvirate Department of State. Management is clearly lacking, and under permission from existing bureaucrats and our own leadership, this Department is stepping in. We are not taking "control" of any kind. We are simply taking this in as our protectee and with months of planning. I am a bureaucrat here. I will be protecting this wiki from further vandalism and mismanagement. No one has more experience or knowledge than I do in this regard, and with regard to assets, we clearly hold the advantage. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 20:12, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Prove it (what's even vandalized at the moment)? Not to mention you didn't even use your talk page correctly, the reply should have been on my talk page. This is disgraceful. 20:35, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Also you cannot say "I'm the B'Crat here" that doesn't mean anything on this wiki. I suggest you read a policy or two about this wiki before you start acting like you know it RuneScape_Clans_Wiki:All_editors_are_equal. 20:37, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * There have been multiple incidents where vandalism failed to be dealt with for days on end. The Department of State is more familiar with this wiki than almost anyone out there. With a lack in management, we stepped in. That's the end of the story. I hope we can work together here, because if so, I look forward to it. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 20:47, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Dear sir(s), I have no personal problems with you, and I appolgoize if I come off that way. But, the manor of which you have been injected into this wiki is at best disgusting. 20:57, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have been with this wiki for a very long time, and before me my predecessor, and there are literally dozens of resources and several people behind me to help manage this wiki. I want to work together with you, I insist on it in fact. We need to do something about stopping vandalism, dealing with vandalism, and creating permanent solutions rather than letting the wiki deteriorate. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 21:01, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I'm just going to done here I think... I've been blessed with a wonderful girlfriend, I've got numerous open source and closed source programming projects to work on, my grandmother has cancer, and I'm in college. That's enough on my plate for me. That said, if I'm needed for something... Just ask I suppose... Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. 00:13, September 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Best of luck to you then, perhaps we'll meet again. No harm done and farewell. The wiki is in good hands. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 00:55, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Urgent
To save me having several talkpages discussions I'm putting my comments and replies to yourself, zerouh, dark and any other admins, and any users wishing to give their opinions here. This is not a place to argue, be civil. Please post all replies here and read the whole section before commenting. Understand that I may not have every fact correct as I do not have time to read every post on every talk page and to analyse every edit made.

I realise I have not been active very much at all this year, as with Dark I have real life things to do. I do not want to start on a bad note, and I don't want to bring in immediate reservations on you but as a b'crat it is a somewhat responsibility that I tell you of the following:
 * 1) You have been given b'crat rights without any consolidation with any other community members
 * 2) You have next to no contributions with this wiki
 * 3) You have not contacted myself or dark directly in the slightest
 * 4) You have edited vital features of the wiki without consent from community or without knowing the policies surrounding those features.
 * 5) Overall, yourself and Zerouh have broken several policies

In any case of a fully active wiki Zerouh and yourself would be temporarily stripped of your rights and had a open discussion as to the future of the accounts would be held. In my opinion sysop rights have been misused which is supposed to result in an immediate 1 week block. Read the last paragraph as to why I am holding back.

Zerouh, you have not contacted me until now where you obviously feel it's too late? As far as I knew you did not care for this wiki, let alone feel it was in your right to break policies to create a short-term fix? If you had asked for help to manage this wiki I would have stepped up. At this time I am utterly ashamed to see you abusing your powers. For someone that for so long has been traveling dead along wiki policy, to be (now it seems act) so diplomatic, to go out on a limb like this is just shocking. It is in your favour that I do not have time within the next week to deal with this policy mess. I therefore ask Zerouh: I want to see a a full explanation of your actions, your reasoning and how you are going to monitor this b'crat's actions over the next eight weeks. I do not want to see you getting personal or emotional in your response, strictly b'crat. I'm sorry to be harsh but if you are not going to follow policy, I will.

Triumvirate, I'm sorry for the mess you have landed yourself in. I want you to write reasoning as to why you feel you should now keep your b'crat rights, what you are going to do in the short and long term of this wiki and I want you to link me to all the policies that you have read to show your understanding of what you need to uphold (better then what Zerouh has displayed in the past week) as a b'crat on any wiki. Please give all details as to your situation and your prior knowledge as you have mentioned before.

As I am taking responsibility for the lack of management over the past year I do not feel the need to take any immediate action. I understand what you are both trying to do and why you are doing it, I am just not happy with how it has been handled initially and how you are treating another user when they confront you (Zerouh); namely you have proven yourself a hypocrite. If you feel I am being unfair please feel free to share your opinions on the matter. I am going to message other admins to share comments. Triumvirate, you are to follow policies strictly as a normal user until this has reached a conclusion please. I am truly sorry for having to go through all this - It's the last thing I needed in the middle of my final exams, so please respond sensibly and understand I'm only following this wiki's policy. Sorry for the long read & Thank you in advance, 13:33, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Comments
Please comment under this heading.
 * These are the current statistics for the wiki, for future reference. 13:41, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why a nomination was not made Here. I can understand an argument that the wiki is inactive, but obviously I could have responded, as could most of the other admins. We may not spend hours contributing content daily, but we still watch... and a message on a talk page grants almost immediate response. This is a blatant disregard of wiki policy, and should be reversed immediately. I am also unclear why they were not made admin, being granted the extra access which simply is not needed. I won't even begin to comment on the relationship of the bureaucrat with the new person, as that opens another can of worms... 14:33, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe I may have been to soft in my last response. If this user is not returned to normal account status within 24 hours of my post, I will be taking this directly to wikia to have the policies of this wiki enforced and have both accounts in dispute placed in a block. 24 hours. 14:39, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * To my credit, there was no one on this wiki, every admin was listed as "inactive" very very clearly. I was appointed a bureaucrat because we are the only ones with the knowledge of wiki editing, the knowledge of this community, and the assets to keep this wiki defended and protected. There is no harm done, and I agree that Excel should be re-admined very soon, I will do it myself if necessary. Zerouh, being the only active bureaucrat saw it was necessary to appoint a good new one with years of experience and background.


 * This wiki has collapsed in the past two years, and you need new action. Don't criticize people willing to take action, you all weren't active and other people were. It's not difficult to see why you weren't included in the decision, no one was here, truly. It wasn't an offense to you, it was just that we had to take action and step in when there was no visible presence here. Other people demanded leadership. The wiki community stands behind this as well, you can speak to multiple wiki members all in support. There is no relationship between Zerouh and myself, we've actually never personally met considering he left my Union two years ago. I am here under authority from Major Executive Maine and I got permission to be appointed bureaucrat here because I displayed the skill and knowledge necessary.


 * You all don't even need to be here arguing, do you really care anymore? This wiki hasn't seen any of you in months, but it's been watched for four years by me, by the Department of State. I am here to take the load off of all of your hands, and I welcome working with any of you who are truly interested in being an active participant here.


 * Zerouh stepped in not in violation of policy, because Zerouh WAS policy. Zerouh was the only bureaucrat here, he could have changed things, he recognized that he was the only one representing the wiki community and had to act. There was no full wiki, there was barely even a wiki still. Things are not in good shape, and I'm here to fix that.


 * I want to work with you, all of you, if you'll work with me. I'm here to stay, and I hope some of you are here to stay. However, if you're only briefly here to criticize actions that were not made for any terrible intent but simply to keep this wiki afloat, and have no vested interest here, then farewell. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 15:20, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Policy, we want to go by policy vut we are the most inactive people in this wiki!". Tell me this guys, do you really, really, really want to hold on to the power so much that your going to fight this down to the bitter end? I have tons of friends on this wiki contributing every day that thinks this should happen. I want to see this wiki have better mamangement under the Triumvirate. Lanclot Rice (talk) 17:20, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Guys, seriously... You have did almost nothing to be considered active admins. I have left message after message on MinigmeGod's talk pages about featuring my clan and he hasnt responded to mine, or anyones for that matter. This is a needed step forward to active and new leadership. Triumvirate obviously understands the process', and it is a highly good idea. Lanclot Rice (talk) 17:11, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * This account was created on September 12th, 2013. It states on the user page that it is designed to be used as a shared account which is in direct violation of the wikia terms of use. This account has made only 29 edits to this date, which can be found here. The claim that this wiki is inactive is easily countered by the fact that within 48 hours, 3 DIFFERENT admins have posted demanding the removal of this new accounts admin position. If a motion to make this person admin had been made, an appropriate time given to hear community opinion allowed, and the position granted I would not complain. Of course, I also would have said, "hell no" to the suggestion. Zerouh's last edit prior to September of 2013 was in February of 2012. That is over 18 months. I will report the abuse of the bureaucrat's abilities to wikia in approximately 19 hours. 19:56, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I for one completely support the Department of State here, I honestly can't believe it wasn't done sooner. This wiki is a mess, otherwise I wouldn't have had my pages deleted. Someones trying to do right and I don't think it's right to all get in a fight over this. TBH, the RS Clan Wiki has been terrible recently. No one deals with the issues and there isn't strong community at all. I'm going to trust someone with four years of experience with this community and with wiki knowledge who has the reasons and desire to clean it up. Nremni (talk) 19:59, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am the only one using this account! Chief Ambassador Jackson Mearl. That's one person. I have been on this wiki for months, and the assets the Department of State have put into this wiki as well as the devotion towards watching it have been going on for years. This wiki is inactive. You only come on to say it's not inactive, that should be pure evidence of it being inactive. No featured clan in months, no serious management in months, no news, no significant publishing, terrible response to vandalism. I'm here to make this wiki shiny again. You want to work against me, be my guest, but I'm doing my best to make things work. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 20:04, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

You are a new account and should not be a bureaucrat. We are not inactive. Shame on you.Ytse (talk) 20:04, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Everybody take a breath. Here are the facts: this wiki was shown to have inactive management. I saw multiple times that vandalism reports and communications to admins went for days (or sometimes never) before being attended to. The Department of State is the only institution with the power, the resources, the knowledge, and the experience to help manage this wiki in its hour of need. What's my knowledge, how do I know that? Because I've been with this wiki for over four years, and I used to run the Department of State myself. I held a clan page on this wiki regularly until the wiki started to disintegrate into chaos and mismanagement. Don't revoke the account, if you do that, we send a message to everyone that this wiki doesn't have its stuff together and that we are more prone to disagree with each other than to work together to make the wiki stronger. Ehtya (talk) 20:11, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Triumvirate, you keep claiming to have been an editor with this wiki for months. Your account was created September 12th, 2013, per the top of the page. Are you an idiot or a liar?

Vandalism can be reverted by any user level in multiple way. Creation and cleaning of content can be done so as well. This account is 3 days old. It should not be sysop. Do something, then gain the extra abilities

Approximately 18 hours left. 20:19, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't call me an idiot or a liar ever, ever again. You got that?


 * I have been present on the wiki, not editing, but watching. The Department of State has kept an eye on this wiki for years, longer than any other. I am not claiming to have been an editor, but I've been active on this wiki longer than you have. We watch, we study, we catalog information. No one, I repeat that, no one, understands this wiki better than the Department of State.


 * This account is backed by the most politically stable institution with any relation to this wiki, it is run by a man with considerable wiki and foreign policy, as well as defense experience, and it happens to be the only thing that stands between your wiki and disaster. I am on your side, I am not standing against you. Stop with a countdown, because it won't do anything. The community is behind me here, as are clan governments, and my government. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 20:26, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm in agreement. The following clans agree with the Triumvirate Department of State and wish for me to list them here:


 * New Tyran Empire
 * Legendary Akatsuki
 * Al Kharid Sultanate
 * Great Armada
 * Fallen Pride.


 * Draziw, expect the community here to flip out and disband if you dont keep teh Triumvirate as this Bureaucrat. We are all tired of your lazyness, so please, give it up. Sincerely, Lanclot Rice (talk) 20:32, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

You are a new account and should not be a bureaucrat. We are not inactive. Shame on you.24.25.39.211 20:36, September 14, 2013 (UTC) Skills2Quest a i.

I support this new leadership

(Lord Agares)

Members and staff of the RS Clans wiki,

As a long time member of this wiki it has pained me to see it become so inactive and full of small time clan feuds and vandals. My clan began and grew on this wiki, I have shared over two years of my life with the members of this wiki, and I would like to say that there is no one better than the Universal Triumvirate to keep order where order has been lacking. Yes we all understand that the wiki has been quite inactive lately, however that is not an excuse for a lack of management. Even you Draziw have not been very active in the last 6 months, none of the staff has, but I am not blaming any of you for it. The wiki has been quiet, but that is something we hope to change, and when we do, we will need the assistance of the Triumvirate.

Draziw, I don't want to start a war over the fact that we just want to help. You know me, I only want what is best for the community, and the community wants someone to watch over them and make sure people aren't vandalizing their pages. As someone who you know had to deal with all that shit, you can't imagine how comforting and great it made me feel to be able to count on YOU to support me every time someone would make a stupid comment on my clan talk page or make stupid edits on my clan page. All I want is for other people to feel as welcome and comfortable I did on this wiki. I want people to be able to call this wiki their home as I had years ago. The Triumvirate has been a force for justice and peace for years and that’s all we want to do here.

We aren't asking you to hand over the wiki to us, we are asking to let us help you.

Please reconsider,

 20:49, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Triumvirate- So... by your own statement, you are admitting that you have not edited on this wiki prior to September 12th, which means that you are a new user/contributor. You claim to have been active on this wiki longer than me. The Universal Triumvirate was founded on September 15th, 2009... I started on this wiki May 28th, 2010... Now... I was in Soldier 1033's (a bureaucrat) clan (The Knights of the Abyss) when he joined this community back in November of 2008. So... talk a lot, but you're talk is empty. You say you aren't a liar and an idiot so I'll take you're word for it. But you're saying a lot of stuff that appears to be false... I understand this wiki better than you do. At least I know the terms of use and the wiki policies. Clan Quest (my political organization) is a Jagex Recognized Fansite, with over 200 members in game, and thousands of registered daily users on our website. We are a frequently featured clan, having been featured on Jagex's youtube channel, facebook, twitter, and the main page. We have publicly declared Jmods as members in our clan (ever watch runecast? Yay VodkaB!) and were one of the 5 clans granted Beta access to the Citadel and Clan chat updates prior to their release. This wiki isn't facing disaster. And if it is, you could do everything you wanted to do as a normal editor. You do not need sysop abilities. They should not have been given. The Bureaucrat who abused their abilities should correct their mistake. I can countdown as I like. Our policies are clear, and Wikia will back the administrators of this wiki up. Zerouh is in violation of our wiki's rules and will get what comes to him if he doesn't correct his mistake. If the triumvirate would like to create its own wiki to be monitored and made shiny, go right ahead! This is the Runescape Clans Wiki. Edit by our rules or be removed.

@Kingspencer- The issue here is that he does NOT need to be a Bureaucrat do do what you have suggested. And he has not shown himself to be capable or using the extra abilities, or even capable of making more than 100 edits to this wiki. I would rather you have bureaucrat ability than a new account made 48 hours ago.

About 17 hours left. 21:17, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * You haven't been active here, whereas the Department of State has consistently been actively watching this wiki here since 2009. It has excellent leadership, political stability, and requires extensive screening. Unlike anything on this wiki! It is the consensus of much of the population and community on this wiki that this management is needed, that we are needed here. There was no significantly active management, there was no one to confirm adminship even if it were proposed. If you were in my position, and you saw that there was this great site with great history, with no one taking care of it, and then when you try and do something, after getting community validation and validation from your own government, but then you were shot down by people who haven't even been around in months... how would you feel? The more we talk, the clearer it becomes that this wiki is in crisis and needs our help. If you want to work against me, against this wiki, you are to blame for what will come to it. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 21:25, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * You said, "There was no one to confirm adminship even if it were proposed." What do you call the three different admins who have Directly stated objections to your appointment within 48 hours of your promotion? I call those active administrators. If it had been proposed you would have been rejected. It was not proposed. Shame on you. 21:33, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Draziw, fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice? Shame on us. You havent been active here for months. Live up to the fact you havent did your job, and let someone else willing to do it step in. Seriously, are you that obsessed with power? Lanclot Rice (talk) 21:35, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Your last contributions were over eight months ago! You cannot say that anyone would reasonably consider you active. MinigameGod, also months ago. The Excel, over a month ago, and before that responses were scarce, very very scarce! You are only active here to stop me. Stop me from doing my job and helping out this wiki. I've tried to say I want to work with the management here, but there isn't management here, is there? There are petty admins fighting over management of a site that needs help. You had your time here, you clearly stopped being active for personal reasons, so why are you still clinging on? Justice, intelligence, and order is what this wiki needs — sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it? Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 21:41, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Draziw, fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice? Shame on us. You havent been active here for months. Live up to the fact you havent did your job, and let someone else willing to do it step in. Seriously, are you that obsessed with power? Lanclot Rice (talk) 21:35, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lanclot, You've made 2 edits on clan pages, and a total of 13 edits since you joined the wiki, most of which are on user pages... What are you talking about? Even more ridiculous is the fact that Triumvirate has done almost the exact amount of contributing as you. Do you honestly believe that YOU should be an administrator? If yes... let's be serious. If no, why should Triumvirate. If in 6 months he has edited 500 times and is a centerpiece of the community, great! As it is now, he is BRAND NEW!!!!

This wiki doesn't need Justice, Intelligence or order. It needs contributors. You have not contributed ever.... 21:44, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

You are a new account and should not be a bureaucrat. We are not inactive. Shame on you. Lyzbth517 (talk) 21:42, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I am a contributor. Here I am! I'm also known as Caeser VI, who was active as H - E double L in the beginning. Why cant we just agree to let the Triumvirate manage this wikii and give you your life back? Lanclot Rice (talk) 21:48, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes you have the ability to check in if someone happens to write on your talk page, but the constant support and wiki updating by the staff that was once here is gone and you can't argue against that. Allowing the Triumvirate to keep it's admin abilities allows them to not have to go through other staff to get things done around here.

I ask you again, to please reconsider.

21:49, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Really people? Creating new accounts just to literally copy and paste the same message? That's low. Don't trash Lanclot, he's a member of this community just like you are, don't treat him poorly for expressing his views, because that's not something that I will allow to stand. This wiki needs order more than ever, so I beg to differ with you there. I'll repeat what I've said and what has been repeated by others: The Department of State is the only group, only institution with the ability, the assets, the wiki experience, the defense experience, the extensive and strict selection and appointment process, the political stability, and the time and resources to manage this wiki reasonably. The Department of State is more familiar with the community than you are Draziw. You haven't checked on this wiki in months, you were presumed and declared inactive actually. Whereas the Department of State has been here consistently for the past year, since July of 2012 if I'm not mistaken, without flaw, and before that monitored this wiki for years. The edits made don't matter, we just received the authority to step in now, but that has no effect on who is right to manage here. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 21:50, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

So not only are people (Probably you Draziw, just saying...) creating accounts just to copy and paste the same message, without them ever having any edits and the SAME I.P ADDRESS AS YOU DRAZIW, you are now faltering in your argument. Congratulations, "Fool of yourself, you have made."

Dark Arc realied we were right, and he retired stating that we could handle it. Stop fighting for your own power, and give it up. We arent going to change the wiki's purpose, we are just here to manage it better than the inactives that do manage it. Draziw, we're giving you your life back, take it easy and go eat some cheetoh's on the couch or something. Lanclot Rice (talk) 22:03, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

P.S, Draziw, my cousin worked for Wikia. He said Zerouh has all rights in the world to what he didnt considering you have been deemed inactive and should have no say whatsoever in this process. Wikia vs. Wikia policy. Which one will win out...Lanclot Rice (talk) 22:03, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Lancelot, you deleted my post when you posted yours! That's great that your cousin said that without reviewing anything. I am right. ;) And people from my allied clans are making accounts to post. They are from different IP addresses, lol. "Obviously you won't follow this wiki's policies, I will take it up with Wikia directly if Zerouh doesn't resolve the issue within the next 17-16hours or so. You can do everything you want to make this wiki amazing without having bureaucrat access. I am not bureaucrat and I have over 30 times the contributions to this wiki that you have. If you are a normal account, I will support you actively until a proper nomination can be made within the policies of this wiki. As it is, you are ignoring the purpose and design of this community, and have displayed no honor, nor any intent to adhere to the standards this community has followed since it's founding. I don't care what your silly game government says, it is not the government of the Runescape Clan Wiki. You have ignored the government of the Runescape Clan Wiki, and are acting outside our laws (the community policies). This makes your promotion illegal, and all activities justified by that illegal act are neither a representation of justice, order, or basic reasonable behavior. I will wait the time for Zerouh to rectify his mistake, as he will loose sysop abilities when this is reported to Wikia, and I don't want to do that to him. Once this is reported, there will be no more debating, so...." 22:07, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Zerouh did nothing wrong, this was my doing. Zerouh saw inactivity in management and appointed the most logical choice to step in and clean things up. You have no more authority over me than I have over you, that's what you fail to understand here. I've asked multiple times to work with you, but you are obviously opposed to that, you clearly have no intentions of working peacefully here and will be obstructionist to anything or any purpose I have here. Zerouh was the only one around, he could do as he saw fit in a situation like this. Now I'm here, with community support, support from a bureaucrat, and support from my own government and I'm going to give it my all. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 22:08, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Zerouh hasn't been on this wiki since February of 2012 prior to this incident 2 days ago. Saying he was the only one around is nothing but a lie. Are you a liar sir? I am not opposed to you doing anything, I am saying you should not be sysop. If you have another account that has multiple edits and has existed for a while, I would be happy with it being syspo. This account is not and should not be sysop. It is not the most logical choice. Saying it is the most logical choice, when it was created the day it was sysoped is nothing but a lie. I am happy to see a new person interested in contributing. That new contributor should not be sysop. If you are sysop, everyone should be sysop? Why not just do that now? 22:12, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I defend the actions of the Triumvirate Department here, this wiki is crap and what's the worst that could happen by letting them do what they can to change that? Actually though, no one else is here doing any managing, what's the harm in letting someone who can be trusted and who has the abilities and experience actually do their part. Give things a chance people. 37.139.24.230 22:15, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because not everybody has the experience, the time, and the assets put into this wiki. And certainly no one here has the political stability behind them to prevent any sort of takeover or objective editing. A new contributor should be sysoped if there is no one else there, if things are unattended to, and the new contributor is clearly the best option in terms of time, assets, resources, history, management, and experience. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 22:17, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * And I am saying that your two days of contribution are not a representation of anything you have listed. If you have another account that you have used to edit which should be sysoped that can fullfill that requirement, I will support the promotion, otherwise, this is silly. Let's just make everyone bureaucrats. ANY EDITOR can ensure objective editing. Make me a bureaucrat? Why should you be a bureaucrat and I am not? Seriously, I'll stop arguing. 22:23, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Is tihs really happening here? An inactive sysop arguing with the people without whom this wiki wouldn't even still be around? Get out of here Draziw. -Lexer43 188.186.41.243 22:26, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not inactive and i am arguing with a person who has only had an account here for 2 days. Thanks for your thoughts! 22:28, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're really asking someone to bureaucrat you in order to shut you up? That's the most blatant excuse for a power grab I've ever seen. Representation of political stability, experience, defense experience, editing experience, knowledge of this wiki? Test me out, I've already shown it to dozens before. Back down my friend, save face here. I wanted to work with you, not against anyone. You are definitely inactive, it's been months, over eight of them, since you last posted. Triumvirate Department of State (talk) 22:31, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no power. lol. Power grab??? I am asking why you, a new account, created 2 days ago, are a Bureaucrat, and I- a sysop, with a long history with this wiki, am not? Please give me 1 reason. And like you, I watch this wiki, but I haven't posted. It's less than 8 months, btw... ;) I have seen no editing experience represented, and that is the only thing that matters on this wiki!!!!!!!!! You don't even have a signature. I'm not going to back down, and wikia is going to support me, so I am giving you the chance to get what you want and save face. :)
 * Says the one who is getting comments left and right from multiple people saying for you to back down. Go get a life bro. Lanclot Rice (talk) 22:39, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I used to be a member of this wiki like three years ago, unfortunately I left the User:Zerouh page on my watchlist and got flooded with e-mail when this started. I'm going to have to agree with Spence, you've got no role to stop anything here Draziw, the State Department has the right ideas. -Btzkillerv

Agreed. The Triumvirate needs to step in here. I want to make a clan page here but I dont feel safe leaving it by itself without any active administration. Draziw, I'm sorry, but we all disagree with you. - Clans Queen


 * Now you want the wiki community to promote you because of all this? When you haven't been here in months Draziw. IMO the Triumvirate is wasting its time here, this wiki doesn't deserve their help if people like you are wondering around on it. I'll back the Department of State which has a renowned history of international knowledge and protection with a cause for actual justice and order over some jealous wiki sysops who haven't been here in months. -Gurtrue Beast 176.9.122.78 23:10, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^Agree completely. Who is the Major Executive now btw, anyone know? 37.187.23.71 23:24, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * The current Major Executive is Nathan Maine, a good man, he's in his second term right now. Thank you for your support. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  23:26, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I propose Excel be re-sysoped, unless he's left for good now, which he might have. That Draziw leave, because this is immature and not going anywhere. And that the Triumvirate account stick around as it is. I'm for progress here. 96.47.226.21 23:34, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lanclot Rice, you have never edited my talk page? Otherwise, Please keep this discussion on Triumvirate's and Zerouh's actions. Thank you for your inputs Spencer, Draz and the rest of the wiki community! It's nice to see everyone so active even if it is for such a reason. Triumvirate, you still have done nothing I have asked to prove yourself to keep your b'crat right, instead arguing and showing your blatant lack of policy knowledge. If you didn't yet figure, I am trying to help. I have contacted wikia and have requested that your rights be downgraded to admin. These should be more than sufficient for what you want to do on this wiki. If you do need b'crat rights for any reason you can contact myself in the future. I now look forward to the statement I asked you to give earlier on the reason why you should keep your admin rights. I agree with Spencer whereby you have potential to do good for this wiki, but breaking policies like this is a bad start. I also agree with Rice, you have not edited nearly enough to show your editing knowledge of this wiki. I'm sorry, but watching does not count. Also, please stop using inactiveness as a weapon to fight users with. All these users know that they have been inactive but if you did not notice, all these users have answered within 24hours to a talk page request. This discussion is about Zerouh and your actions, please draw the line there. I have yet to hear from Zerouh. Looking forward to both of your statements. Thanks again, 23:35, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're trying to speak to Zerouh on my talk page...? I don't speak for Zerouh, I don't know Zerouh. I trust the wiki staff will see that Zerouh bureaucrated me under good faith here, citing the inactivity of the management. The responses displayed on this page should be enough to show community support as well, with several considerable members of the community standing up for this. MinigameGod, you are not above me. You can't tell me what does or does not count. The wiki community may, and they have spoken. There is no management here. They wanted me to come in. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  23:43, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * MinigameGod, we need to activity here. Please, for the good of the wiki, let us prevail. We are active and are willing to uphold your job. Zerouh did it all with the best intent for this Wikia to survive, so please, understand that. The Wikia community wants new leadership. Do you know how much this would infuriate them if you denied their voices? By the people, for the people. They have spoken. Let them be heard. Lanclot Rice Universal Triumvirate.png 23:48, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do not de-bureaucrat the Triumvirate Department of State account. Zerouh gave them bureaucrat powers for good reason. No one has been on this wiki, and as a part of this community I support this user stepping in here as they do have the priorities and the community approval I think is necessary. My clan is out if he's out. Inactive admins trying to stop this good action is such bunk, Zerouh (a bureaucrat) and the community believes this account deserves its chances here and is definitely the best candidate for bureaucrat 77.244.254.228 23:48, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Triumvirate Department of State is the institution that should be managing here, as a bureaucrat so that you have an active one condoned by a bureaucrat already. It's definitely the most credible, even out of some of the actual admins here. I wouldn't have left the wiki and had my clan page deleted if they were managing, I'm pretty s ure about that. Nremni (talk) 00:04, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, can you stop using your resources of people to oppress this discussion. Having people with next to no editing history, with next to no community involvement, with no knowledge of past and present agendas, yet being apart of the Triumvirate is just weird. Nevertheless, I take on board your opinions and if you read on it is obvious that I have already let you off half a dozen block-able offences.

If you read my first message it said I will be holding the discussion on both of your accounts on here. I am waiting for his response on this page as I have linked it to him.

What is your definition of considerable? Mine is 500+ edits, 2+ months old accounts - this shows they have contributed to the community and they have the knowledge to benefit the wiki. Both of which this account does not have. You have no knowledge of the policies of this wiki. There are people who still disagree with decisions and therefore I have taken all of these factors into account to ask for your demotion.

If you did know the policies, you would be required to be nominated, you would have to meet criteria, then for a discussion to be held, whereby majority rules... Zerouh skipped all of these, to which myself as a b'crat knowing and upholding the policies has to step in. Words mean nothing here - actions do. This is why I have held back from blocking Zerouh and yourself, this is why I have not asked for all your rights to be revoked, this is why I am not being a strict b'crat whereby I follow all procedures, okay?

If you are going to have other triumvirate users threaten me, then it will be to no prevail. I am listening to the voices Rice. I have heard both sides of the story. And with all this at hand you must see that I am being unbiased. But you have to understand that policy has been created by the people, for the community. So please do not give me a speech as how I am denying people's voices? Because this is offensive and untrue. I asked one simple thing and you have still not done that? I asked you for your statement as in the nomination process a statement has to be made by the nominee and nominator as to why they believe the user should be given rights. And no, I am not above you, but I am more respected as an editor and a b'crat of this wiki. So, I am asking you, as someone with more experience, to fulfil the requirements that policy requires where Zerouh has not. I am beginning to go from lighthearted to dead serious. People are being rude, unhelpful and obnoxious. Please just do as I asked so we can all move on, as this is just doing to poison the community. 00:22, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Test of Hypocrisy
Make me a bureaucrat and I will drop the issue. ;) lol 22:04, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

i completely support the Triumvirate-Beastytopdog