Forum:Petition approved by Wikia Staff

Wikia approved this.
Wikia staff directly approved this themselves. They also told me the peoples voices count here over that of the Administrators in this case, because for this problem they are declaring it a democratic vote. Wikia staff also wants every person in this community, logged in or not, to contribute to this page. This is a forum for the ongoing argument, and after 3 days, Wikia staff will come in and inspect this.

PROOF: "You can absolutely raise that issue. The community gets to decide it's own leadership, and If it's clear that there's a strong community need to limit bureaucrats to only active members, we can step in and help. If you wish to pursue this approach, we suggest you hold a public discussion and vote on your community (open to all community members). We need to see community participation in the conversation and a general consensus before we can assess the situation further."

If Draziw, Excel, or MinigameGod edit this page in any sort of fashion other than the titled "Discussion" Section, it will be counted as an act of vandalism.

MinigameGod's last post before September 12, 2013: Near June/July.

Draziw's Last post before September 12, 2013: January 22nd, 2013.

Draziws known offenses:

l2math?

Bribes for Bureaucrat.

We need a different leadership here as it is proven they are inactives that have done nothing but run this Wikia in to the ground under their current dictatorship.

Discussion
Gentlemen, please begin pleading your cases against old fashioned democracy here. BTW, the portion of our Policy saying this sint a democracy is exempt. As proven by the statement provided directly by Wikia Staff above.

Cheers! 01:18, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Vote
Support: 01:18, September 17, 2013 (UTC) The community here is highly inactive and we are prepared to fix that. If you want this wikia to achieve its old height under the times of 2010-2011, form up and support this! Throw off the chains of Administrators who are inactive and Dictators.


 * I have a question, if we are inactive, why are we here, and if we are dictators, why is this thread not locked to sysop only editing, and why are you and the Triumvirate account not banned indefinitely? We are merely enforcing policies as necessary. 04:50, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Support: This wiki needs completely new leadership. The admins here are not people I want representing me and they are inflammatory and biased towards certain clans and people which is very unfair. The Triumvirate Department of State should become a bureaucrat and The Excel and The.Draziw should be removed from sysop powers. Them doing everything they can to try and stop someone who was approved by the community and go out of their way to stop them at the expense of the community is a perfect example of why I don't support them being around here. Nremni (talk) 04:21, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Please explain your relevance to this wiki, for I do not understand it. Also if you wouldn't mind could you clarify how I am bias towards a certain clan or person? I personally believe I am upholding the belief of this wiki that no group should hold a power here over another. For the reference of third parties would you please state if you have any relationship with the Triumvirate? Also, for the reference of third parties, the person you are speaking of here was never approved in any manor which is allowed on this wiki. 04:37, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since you asked Dark! There are almost NO [user's contributions] and they are a biased [Member of the Universal Triumvirate]. There is no RfA. 06:32, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

No Opinion: I'm not going to voice an opinion here now, but I know that the community announced tremendous support for this in Forum:Clan Petition. that should be referenced, many of them called for a direct change in management.


 * There were two community members there, there rest were random addresses and accounts with no relationship to this wiki prior to those postings. These accounts cannot be taken seriously as I could just as easily make a macro which ran through a proxy and made postings of support/denial. 03:04, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * All voices deserve to be heard. Also several accounts had an extensive and lengthy relationship with this wiki (Teeky, Nremni, Spencer, Lanclot). Give up on this proxy argument, there is no evidence of that and it's not a strong argument. I'm simply making this note to further clarify things for anyone looking here as the two are related. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  03:06, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * The only accounts with credible edits here are Spencer, and Lancolt under his former account. A proxy will leave virtually no tracks, and that cannot be determined. What can be said is that several unknown entities came into the conversation within a similar time frame. While other more credible entities and contributors to the wiki such as Ebram 72 did not appear. This suggest that these individuals or this individual had some kind of personal interest in this argument. I would like to remind external parties to this argument, that this wiki has several "political" factors, and it must be considered that these accounts are from a party with "political" interest. 03:16, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry are you telling me that Teeky, Nremni, and Lanclot, shouldn't be heard, even though they have all had accounts on this wiki for multiple months (Teeky for years). In regards to the anonymous editors, I'm not saying you need to take into consideration what they said, but they should be heard at all costs. They, as well as the rest of the community. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  03:19, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Per the terms of use, an account must be logged in to use certain features of wikia, including forum posting. 03:21, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * All, I repeat, ALL, voices will be heard. You are welcome to disregard what they say, but I will not allow any voice to not be heard, no matter their opinion or origin. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  03:23, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * So you are now publicly supporting a breach of terms of use? How would you feel if random people started commenting on the triumvirate wiki about an issue suggesting you be stripped of rank as the majority executive? wow. 03:28, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool it, and I did aknowledge Lanclot's voice... though I spelled his name wrong. 03:31, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am supporting the right of everyone to be heard. You are permitted to NOT take their discussion into account, but they shall be heard. First, it's Major Executive, and you will not insult him or dare threaten him in front of me ever again. I am not the Major Executive, I am the Chief Ambassador and Chairman of the Joint Command Council which is beside the matter, and shouldn't concern you. Also, our wiki has a very different management structure than this one does, one that clearly works much better as we have never had inactive administrators and adhere to much stronger organization. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  03:33, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * AH YES, AND HERE IS THE POINT. Our structure works fine when it is followed, you have not done that. I therefore move that we follow this wiki's organizational structures, per this user's previous statements and suggestion, and that this admin be stripped of all ranks until such time as he can meet the requirements designated via our RfA structures. 03:51, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It obviously does not! There was no one managing this wiki. The wiki staff themselves left me as an admin, and the community demanded I remain as a bureaucrat, any actions to revert either are strictly uncalled for. This wiki is out of control, someone needs to come in and do something, and I wanted to be that person, but you all are obstructionist to any goals that this community desires. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  03:54, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why sir? I have made nearly 400 contributions to this wiki in the last 48 hours. You have made none. Why is that? You claim and interest to help, your total contributions to this wiki when you include rolled back edits is 1. ONE I think you are failing to support your RfA (which you have never made). You claim admins were not active, I am and have always been listed on the community list as active. I can't help it I didn't see an edit to the unimportant list on the admin article. I responded to a posting on my talk page within 20 minutes. You call that inactive? You say this wiki is out of control, please show me where? There is so little for an admin to do, I have done an entire 8 months worth of admin requests in 30 minutes. Stop being silly. Why can't you follow the policies and procedures of this wiki? You do not need to be an admin to help this wiki, yet as an admin, you have done nothing. Why then are you an admin? You can say whatever you want, you can go get a bunch of random triumvirate to try and support yourself. You have done nothing to help with this wiki, even though you have had the time to respond to postings for days. 04:01, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would have gotten to work long long ago if I didn't have to waste my time defending myself 24/7, unless you propose I literally don't get sleep, because I've spent a majority of my time these last few days defending myself and the views of the community. You hadn't made an edit in MONTHS before this entire thing occurred, that is called being inactive. The community has stated dozens of times that this wiki had disintegrated, which is why I refer you to that last forum. First you fight my bureaucrat, then when wiki staff themselves come in and leave me as an administrator, you act in an abrasive manner towards myself and the community repeatedly, and I've just about had enough of it. Now, GET OFF OF MY BACK. About four hours ago we were fine, we had things resolved more or less, then you all have to come and start being aggressive to me once more, and it's completely disrespectful and ridiculous. Do not misuse the name of my Union ever, do not misuse my name ever, and stop disregarding the declarations and intents of the larger community. Do I make myself clear? Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  04:08, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have talked to you, and still made all of my contributions, so that's a lame excuse. Still, I will give you 12 hours to make contributions to this wiki. I made 180 positive contributions to the organization and content of this wiki in that time. Can you make 50? 25? 1 would double your current contributions so... 04:16, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Never talk down to me again. Will you let this page go back to the issue and not to me? We've already spent days arguing over my role here and it was settled... just because you're upset about it doesn't mean you need to drag it on. Get off of my back, bring this thread back to its subject matter, and stand down. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  04:20, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've talked down to you? hmmmm... I am simply saying you haven't proven your value to warrant the extra permissions associated with adminship. Wikia reducing you to admin is simply so that our local Bcrat can demote you more if needed. It is not an acknowledgement of the value of your contributions to this wiki. You haven't followed our RfA so a move to rollback should happen. If you followed our RfA you would be valid in your promotion, but you don't appear to know how to do that. If that is talking down to you, I implore you to present an argument other than possibilities for your counter. This is the subject matter of this forum thread. 04:27, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Support: What's happened on this site has gone too far. The Triumvirate Department of State was made a bureaucrat by reasonable circumstance, and now you even threaten to remove them from being a sysop after the staff validated their existence as a sysop? Even MinigameGod explicitly stated that they will remain a sysop, this is ludicrous and it's inappropriate. To say I don't want The.Draziw to remain a sysop anymore is an understatement, this sysop is a poor manager for this community and the community has stated they back the Department of State, and may of them have been vocal against The.Draziw. I feel that the only three fit to remain present on this wiki's management are User:Zerouh, User:MinigameGod, and User:Triumvirate Department of State all as bureaucrats, then they can see new sysops appointed, personally I'd see User:Spence32296 made a sysop with those three as bureaucrats, but that's just me. Theodore Crown (talk) 04:49, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Please explain your relevance to this wiki, for I do not understand it. The sysop removal -- at least from what I've said is under the condition that he breaks policy. That condition applies to everyone. I would actually support the sysoping of Spence32296, he's a very nice guy, and he has a long history with this wiki. Also, if you wouldn't mind what is your issue with me? For the reference of third parties would you please state if you have any relationship with the Triumvirate? 04:57, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * My relevance is that I'm someone who wants to be a part of this community, that feels strongly about the issues here, and is upset by the state this wiki was in before the Department of State got involved. I don't have to say "for the reference of third parties" anything, all that should matter is that I'm a wikia user, I'm someone who wants to work on this wiki and I'm frankly disgusted by the attitude displayed by both yourself and The.Draziw and I feel as much as this community feels, that you two should step down from power or be removed from power by wiki staff. I don't appreciate that you'd harangue myself or anyone else for that matter as to "What their relevance is", because that's offensive and completely off-putting. Theodore Crown (talk) 05:01, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * You have 3 edits on this wiki, all on forum topics, lol... 05:03, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah I do. And I still happen to think I'd be more qualified to run this place than either of you two are. You are disgracing yourselves and this wiki and you are offensive to speak with. Theodore Crown (talk) 05:04, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I find it unnerving that you neglect to state whether you have a relationship with this political group the Triumvirate. I also find it unnerving that you have appeared and edited this wiki ONLY AFTER the Triumvirate Department of State account was put into question, and your interest appears ONLY AFTER this Triumvirate Department of State account was put into question. You must prove some form of relevance here due to the fact that unlike many wiki communities, larger groups would be allowed to overrun and demolish the wiki if we based all decisions on a 100% democratic approach. Changes must be made on points brought up, and their relevance, not on a sheer quantity of votes in either direction. Also, please clarify about what "attitude" you are disgusted with? 05:10, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I find it unnerving that that should factor into your decisions at all. I want to be a part of this wiki, but I can't do it with people like you being disrespectful and horrendous to everyone here and its community. I am a member of wikia and the wikia community, that is all that matters. You could ask me about my relationship with my family at home and it would be just as irrelevant to the subject matter. I am a wikia user, I want to participate in a community, I have views on the problems, and I think what is happening on this wiki is appalling and I really hope the wiki staff take action. You spend your time haranguing me for my views, and I don't appreciate it one bit. Theodore Crown (talk) 05:14, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Am I missing something? This account has only made 10 edits on any wikia anywhere. [Your stats] So you made an account just to login and talk here? Alright then, happy to have you! Just to let you know, this sure looks like a fake account created by someone else to support a cause. But then I am apparently misinformed. Oh wait [You're a Triumvirate member]. Cool story bro. 05:15, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why does that matter at all? I am so absolutely disgusted with you that it matters what groups I associate with that my view doesn't matter. I became a wikia member early this year and have been active there ever since. I have views and you'll hear them without haranguing me about myself. You are making this wiki have a very hostile atmosphere and I do not feel included or welcomed in any way, I feel attacked for where I come from and for my beliefs on a community issue. Leave me alone, go back to your jobs, and let me speak my mind on a community issue in peace! Theodore Crown (talk) 05:19, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I assure you, any third party reading this will care about your position in regards to this organization, and it is very relevant here. We are a wiki of organizations, some of them would appreciated, and abuse control of this wiki for their own interest. I will not continue to argue with your views, because they are not relevant without this information. You may be a wikia community member, but you are far from a member of the RuneScape Clans Wikia. Also I would like to point out, that not once, has any member of the current "admin team" reverted any of your edits, or attempted to stop you from posting any content. You are more than welcome to actually partake in this community if you so desire, but making hasty acquisitions is not the way to go. I have not once been disrespectful to you, and if I have I would like you to point out where exactly I have been disrespectful in any regards besides questioning your motives on this very volatile topic (which in no way affects your editing privileges, or your stance as a community member). 05:24, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^^ This. 05:27, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why is it relevant? Do you think I'm biased because of what I do in my spare time? I am a wikia user, I am someone who wants to be a part of this community, but cannot because of terrible sysops who abuse their power, treat the community like crap, and leave a bad taste in the mouth. Then they become active only to stop someone who was nominated to be a new admin appropriately and claim they're all high and mighty. It's actually really offputting to think about. You are obstructive, give off a terribly distant and arrogant demeanor, you imply you are better than everyone else, and your comments against people on this wiki are inappropriate. I don't like it and I don't want to be a part of this wiki until you are off of it. This wiki deserves better. Theodore Crown (talk) 05:29, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's enough of this. Your persecution of a specific group is actually very inappropriate, I happen to agree with Mr. Crown and I don't want it to continue in any way. It's disrespectful and it's discriminating. Mr. Crown, I am sorry that this wiki has not been more welcoming to you. I hope I can make it a more inviting place for the future, thank you for your opinions. :D Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  05:31, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Persecution implies we have hindered his ability to contribute to this wiki, an option which he has not chosen to do to date. 05:35, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * As defined: Persecute: "to subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of their race or political or religious beliefs." I find it applies just fine here. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  05:37, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, I can bring in a few hundred people if you like to say that we should stay and they want to contribute once you are gone too if you would like. That action would not, and does not increase my stance, any more than this user increases the stance of Lanclot, and that is how this wiki is, always has, and always should be operated. 05:39, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not care. Anybody can say their view, and no one may be harassed or persecuted for their view or any allegiances or orientations or opinions. That's final. If you disagree, then I will take a side very strongly on this issue, one I've avoided taking a side in thus far out of respect for the process. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  05:41, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not care either, he has no relevance to this argument, and he has relationships with you outside of it. I am not subjecting him to any hostility or ill treatment due to his political beliefs. He has all the same rights as any one else who showed up two days ago, his relationship with you outside of this arguement however, furthur reinforces his irrelevance. 05:53, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I mean his relationship with you helps reinforce why we take this stance with decission making. Like I said, I could bring many many many people here to tell you that I should stay, but it would be meaningless. 05:55, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * In a real court this would be known as cross examination, not persecution. 05:57, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

LAST WARNING
I will give you 6 hours to correct the false statements on this page, then I will lock this. I have been patient with you silliness, you have not contributed beyond one article and 5 pictures on this wiki. I personally have completed more article edits in the last 24 hours than you and Triumvirate have done total edits combined. I have completed more administrative actions in the last than nearly three times your personal edits, including all your userpage and forum contributions. Quit being a silly spammer, and either contribute or go back to your other wiki. If the corrections are not made and you have not resumed more appropriate editing practices within 24 hours, I will report the Triumvirate Wiki to Wikia. Expropriation of a wiki by another wiki is in violation of Global Wikia Policy, Wikia Terms of Use, and International Copyright laws. You have been warned.

Community Members, as defined by Global Wikia Policy is a registered account. Per the Terms of Use, a registered account must be used for some features of wikia, On this and nearly all wikis forum contributions is included.[Terms of Use]
 * The last post by myself prior to September 12th was not January 7th, 2013.
 * This wikia is not inactive given the stats of this wiki prior to September 12th. [Stats]
 * The administrators of this wiki are not inactive. Within 48 hours of an improper promotion of a user to Bureaucrat, three different members of the pre-existing Admin Team demanded his demotion, a motion which was supported by wikia staff. [] I responded within 20 minutes of the first post on my user talk page in months.
 * The suggested administrators you are suggesting have made less than 10 contribution edits to the content currently existing within this wiki. This is not enough to show ability, or to warrant a disbursement of trust. Coupled with the actions in discussion here, there is a significant reason to distrust certain parties. [Thread.]


 * Draziw, I'm giving you one last chance to unlock this page and start acting like a regular Admin. You violated direct orders from the Wikia Admin's themselves. This was defined as an Expreopriation because we had no better terms for it. It's sure better than your dictatorship. This is a common example of your misuse of your rights and privilages, which should be taken away ASAP. If I dont meet my demands within the next 2 hours, you may not like the punishments. 02:05, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I have explained above, the block is only in effect for people who are not logged in, which is consistent with the Terms of Use for wikia. A user MUST be logged into an editor's account to utilize the forum features. This ensures there is not spam of undisclosed users on a community only issue. Thanks! 02:18, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, you might actually want to practice what you preach. Learn to stop taking away priceless info, and please, do not edit this page unless it is under these headlines. The Admin I have been talking to believes evryone should have a say. Go against him, walk on out. You're making it to where I absolutely hate you for justified reason. Quit vanadlizing my pages, Stop abusing your power, and LEARN to act like a proper Administrator. Tick tock... Tick tock.. 02:13, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have not edit any content on this page, any user can review the past history to verify... 02:18, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * You removed l2math. and Bribery. Lets go check it, and screenshot it. I'll win this case. Sure you want to fight this? 02:20, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Provide a screenshot, you are wrong. 02:23, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I will be locking this as unjustified spam if the purported screen shot or an apology for conveying damaging misinformation is not provided by the previously mentioned deadline. 03:12, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. While evidence that the information is gone was there, I cannot prove who did it. But when I do, I'll come back with a screenie for you. 03:14, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the apology! =D 03:17, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Unlocking & Warning
I am unlocking this page, but I will warn you, the admin team you are trying to remove is the exact admin team which was here in the wiki's "glory" days with the exception of a couple of people. If this turns into a spam fest of random IPs, and people that have never contributed to this wiki it will be locked, the same thing goes if it becomes filled with hateful comments, and offensive remarks. This is about our community getting what it wants, and these random people are not our community. I'm sorry that you feel we haven't been here for you, but we are not dictators. We have not taken the power away from the person you are preaching for, merely forced him down 1 level. He does not need the ability to add other admins, and honestly he does not even need the ability to ban people. Policies were broken, and if you want to make it right, you should do so through the proper means. 02:21, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

My (MinigameGod) Opinion
Let me first say that I have read as much of the discussion as I could take and I will try and respond to everyone. If I have missed out on responding to a piece of content in a comment please let me know and I will do so.
 * 1) Everyone's opinion is equal, but I do not believe the opinions of people with little contribution deserve a say in this discussion. They can have their opinions outside of this wiki and on talk pages, but I believe I can talk for all the admins when I say that the community of this wiki does not consist of one-edit accounts, of IP's with no history or accounts with little to no contribution to this wiki in terms of maintenance, community engagement or content creation. You have already accused myself and admins of silencing voices, but this is like the USA having an election and Australia being able to vote for the next president. This is not on. I approve of the locking of such discussion pages in the future.
 * 2) You call used inactive. Yes, we were all inactive for a period of time because of real life things, but on the contrary I did not see triumvirate make any edits during this period. I did not see anyone help the maintenance of this wiki during that time. No one came and asked us (admins) to help in any way. I think it is awfully rude to to accuse us of being inactive when no one who has displayed their opinion has edited this wiki in the benefit of the community. Sure, a clan page, but have they contributed to this wiki's community. No. It is then obscenely arrogant to petition the removal of these admins just because they were inactive, as it would be hypocritical to say the least. It would be a different story if a user had asked us to help maintain this wiki. I therefore call upon RSC:NOT policy whereby it says it is not up to an admin or any user to "run" a wiki. I therefore see this point as invalid.
 * 3) This wiki needs to decide on leadership, yes, but let me point out a few things. It would be arrogant of me or wikia staff to un-sysop every admin and give b'crat rights to one person is called a dictatorship in this respect (which I am combating your rude allegation of the admins forming a dictatorship against the community). Not only does this leave the wiki open for corruption (as Zerouh experienced when his account got hacked), but it would create a biased community. I myself do not belong to a clan in RuneScape as I do not want to be a biased b'crat. From the same policy I also say that this is not a democracy in the fact that decisions are made with a poll. This refers to point 1 where we had users that I deemed as inexperienced in this wiki to help determine it's future voting and demanding an outcome. It is made on a consensus of community whereby discussions need to be held and opinions heard to determine what is the most logical and best for the future of the wiki. I do not believe, as I have heard from my fellow admins, that leaving a user with no experience for this wiki is a logical or wise move. Myself and other admins were all given these rights because the community at the time deemed it necessary, needed, and they approved because of what they had already brought to the wiki. I raise the issue of the admin-in-question not having brought anything but opinions to this wiki so far, as he was a new user completely. He has not filled out an official nomination policy and he has shown his lack of wiki policy throughout the discussions thus far as to his arguments. The Wikia Staff recognised this, and depending on Triumvirate's response to the following I may petition for his removal of sysop rights until the community deems he has shown his dedication enough to this wiki to be given the honour of admin rights. I currently do not believe he deserves this, but my opinion may change so I am holding back with this petition.
 * 4) Lancelot, the community here is highly inactive. Why have you not tried to fix this before now? Why does someone need any form of rights to help make this wiki active again? Please note that Draz, Excel and myself all reacted within 48hours to talk-page requests, which I argue shows our dedication to the wiki after so long, and that we are all dedicated to begin editing when the community, as shown on Triumvirate's talk page, requested us to. This links to point 2, I therefore see this point as invalid. I do not believe is seeing any maintenance or community engagement by any person involved in this discussion. Please refer to point 2.
 * 5) Nremni, who are these clans you are talking of? I support Draz and Excel as they are doing their best to protect this wiki through direct policy. Please give further evidence if you would like them to be demoted (as to anybody else who is requesting this). This needs to be more then just language used when being challenged upon by several users asking for their resignation from something they love. Draz for one has stayed up with hardly any sleep over the past 3 days as he has been keeping an eye on the wiki and has began making maintenance edits. As Dark and Draz have mentioned you are perceived to be bias as you are apart of Triumvirate's and Lanclot's union, and I would be supporting them too if I was a dedicated member of this union. I respect your opinion but you also have no edits on this wiki besides attacking me and my fellow admins in discussions. I personally would not count your opinion to the future of this wiki. Please refer to my last parts of 6.
 * 6) Triumvirate, they kept you as admin because I requested and have publicly said I will do so. I am very hesitant to follow my word from your actions over the past week / your lack of existence before this week. I would now like to ask what experience in RuneScape do you have? What experience in a RuneScape clan do you have? Before you ask, no, these are not compulsory to edit on this wiki, but I do feel it is a vital part of such a job to be able to relate to users. Draz is the leader of arguably the most well-known clans in all of RuneScape, who has been recognised by Jagex. Excel has been apart of clans, he actively plays RuneScape and has an incredible knowledge of coding which this whole wiki has benefited of, and will benefit from in the future. Asking for the two (in my opinion) MOST EXPERIENCED users of this wiki in terms of community or maintenance respectfully!
 * 7) Lanclot, no one owns pages. As per 1 I do not believe he is even close to abusing his powers, he is just following policy, to which I agree. But if you say the Wikia Staff have specifically asked for everyone to be able to contribute then so be it. In the quote you have provided they only mention community and refer to 1 as to why some users do not count as community. Please do not get angry just because admins are following policy and you did not make the wikia staff's request clear. Please do not make accusations in the heat of the moment that you cannot prove.
 * 8) People opposing the admins, why couldn't you just be appreciative that we are willing to come back to the wiki and help with what we know works! You have some of the most experienced admins for this wiki here and willing to help. So what? We were inactive for a period of time, so were you. You wanted your union representative to take a form of leadership, I have allowed him adminship, despite ALL policies and ALLL opinions from my trusted admins saying I should not have. Having one person as the sole admin in power is ridiculous as it would be incredibly biased. As RuneScape players, as having experience in RuneScape clans, as having experience to the "golden days" of the wiki, to have experience with this sole community, none of which your petitioned admin has. So to those people asking for us to step down and/or to give Triumvirate b'crat status, I have to strictly oppose it on all the above grounds.

Sorry for the length, but the admins have all stated these points several times yet the same arguments and accusations are continuously brought up. I apologise for any spelling/grammar errors or bluntness in advance as I am incredibly tired! I am now about to type my opinions on the Forum:Assault on Community as well. Please do not continue to post discussion points to which YOU have already stated or to which I have already firmly addressed here unless you have something new to bring up, to which I am happy to discuss! It is okay to disagree with me, as I disagree with you, you do not have to keep bringing it up. Wikia Staff, please feel free to contact me via my email about any points I have brought up. After 3 days of this page's creation I will lock the forum and await Wikia Staff's verdict. I am sick of being nice about the whole situation, such as my overlooking of policies to try and be welcoming, as you (being the instigators of broken policies and the current power-struggle) have absolutely destroyed any reputation this wiki had left. It will now be the job of the 3 current admins, and hopefully Triumvirate too, to put differences aside to rebuild the wiki, as this has been the general request of the community.

I normally say "thanks" but as I am now defending my place on the wiki that I have tirelessly editing in the past and will now do so into the future, made memories and friends here and have actually made this a place a third home (see my user page if you want) after IRL and RuneScape...

P.S. An apology to the thoughtless actions and comments of some would be appreciated. As per 5, I do understand many people here must be tired and will say things they do not mean. Offended, saddened, disappointed and utterly shattered, 09:59, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * For the hundredth time, there will be no locking, all voices will be heard. You may disregard comments made by editors who you deem "unacceptable" but I highly recommend you do not as that is disrespectful. I do not belong to any clan either and am arguably the least biased person here as I have literally no game or external connection to any editor here besides purely in the professional realm. I do not keep bias, the reason I came in here is purely to fix this wiki up, act as a neutral party, and to defend and protect what I happen to believe is a site worth saving. You will not continue to persecute or believe that any affiliated or membership with my Union is a source of bias because that is simply false and completely disrespectful. Can we all simply allow the community to speak where without getting all worked up about every little comment for one day? Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  12:50, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Your lack of a clan and your lack of game experience just makes you distant. It doesn't make you any less bias, and it certainly does not help your case. 14:09, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * MinigameGod just said he isn't a member of a clan, he and I should be on equal footing in terms of "distance" then. I am not biased towards or against any group, that is an accurate statement. I cannot say the same for the current sysops. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  14:58, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Do Not Protect This Page
Discussion is left to the entire community, any who wish to be heard shall be heard. No harm comes from this. Pages should only be protected when there is potential damage to the page, which there is not. Triumvirate Department of State   14:58, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read part 1 of the section above. Do not revert the lock again or there will be consequences.  15:09, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Once again, just because MinigameGod says something, does not mean it is accurate. He is not in charge here any more than you or I are. The community is, and thus, they deserve a say, as does anyone else with an opinion. That is final. Triumvirate Department of State Universal Triumvirate.png  15:14, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

ENOUGH
I am issuing a final statement here. The.Draziw, you are removed from status as a sysop permanently until you can once again display the proper attitude needed to operate and behave appropriately on this wiki. Excel, MinigameGod, Triumvirate Department of State, you three will cooperate peacefully or so help me I will see that each of you are removed from any rights you believe you have on this wiki. All pages will remain Open To Everyone unless there is excessive vandalism or risk involved. As for these forum pages, they shall be CLOSED as the subject matter is at an end. No attacks will be made by any of you against any of the other, and everyone will cease to be hostile and will actually work for the best of the wiki instead of themselves. Do not make me regret not being stricter. I am appalled by how childish all four of you have been. 15:25, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore, Excel and the Triumvirate, you both walk an extremely fine line and I am one wrong move away from removing both of your sysop rights as well. Do not make me regret not doing it yet and do not test me. 15:32, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * These will remain open, as the community has requested it, however unfortunate that may be. Staff has had to interviene once because of mistakes you made, do not make them twice. I have broken no policies -- at all -- you have no justification for removing my rights. Have a nice day, 16:26, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I do not want staff intervening in here again, we are settling everything. Do not revert its closing again. I'm not removing your rights, but note that everyone is on a thing line as the behavior shown by nearly everyone the last few days is absolutely not conducive to an appropriate wiki environment. This discussion will be closed, do not revert that.